Thursday, October 30, 2008

Clarification about Dashnaks.

Someone, an anonymous person, sent me an email that impugned that I was a Dashnak hater. I don't hate the Dashnaks; I just don't agree with them. I want to clarify what I think about them.

I am 3rd generation Dashnak. My family is mostly Dashnaks, and it always has been. My grandparents were card-carrying members of the Dashnak party. They held Dashnak posts. I'm not kidding or exaggerating about this, mind you. They really were.

So, understand, if I criticize the Dashnaks, I criticize them as one who comes from a Dashnak background. You see, the Dashnaks, back in the day, were a very viable party. They did a lot for Armenians. They built schools, they built churches, they spread awareness about Armenian issues.

Sometime, around the mid 70s, the Dashnak leadership decided to go, um, let's say, Franco, on everybody's ass--as in fascistic. That's when the problems started. That's when about half of my family and the Dashnaks parted ways. I am with the side that broke with the Dashnaks. I think that they are approaching the Armenian reality from an entirely wrong direction. I criticize them, I don't agree with them, and I think that they should either change or end.

But let me make one thing clear: The Dashnaks are no "baby killers." The Dashnaks that I know don't send rape and death threats. That's not what they are about. So, for the record, the Dashnaks are an obsolete, bureaucratic bunch of repeaters of early 20th century national socialist boilerplate, but they are no "baby killers."

If you want a real crazy Marxist-Anarchist, that would be Armenaker Kamilion.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Nice to know they r not "baby killers"...Then they should control their members on YT who r violently attacking anyone who dares to raise their opinion with rape and death treats towards entire family, especially babies using Dashnaks names ...

I am not exactly anonymous, I signed as "BeautySavesWorld", the most hated Armenian on YT by bozkurt Turks and Dashnak Armenians. ( and yes, I am female).

I split up with Dashnaks after elections ( before I was part of them, just on YT)and when their YT Dashnak leader after several months of harassing me (my family) with all sort of online threats passed the line sending me in public threat to find and punish saying it is a DASHNAK promise I filed a complain in UK police....

My only "guilt" is actually I dared to support opposition and pass on YT articles from different blogs including urs...( including links)

BeautySavesWorld

nazarian said...

I don't like their message but I think a nationalist ideology should have its place in the Armenian political spectrum. I just don't think that it should be mainstream and part of the government.

I think Sefilian's organization is a more viable nationalist ideology. Dashnaks currently do not offer any ideas and are obsolete. In the early 90-s in Armenia they were an opposition and I did take part in some of their protests and actions as a counter balance, or means of pressure, on the Ter-Petrosian administration over the Karabakh policies. I'm sure the administration needed such protests as well as part of their negotiations with the US and the other big boys active at the time.

But I got disappointed with them when they started killing policemen and other state employees and when the Dro group came to light. Banning them was not the best solution, though, even if they broke the law by being headcourtered abroad or planned the murder of high level executive branch officials.

Armen Filadelfiatsi said...

BeautySavesWorld:

What do you mean by "YT"?

Armen Filadelfiatsi said...

nazarian: Yeah, but they did get their asses handed back to them by LTP.

That was sweet to see. Taught them a lesson. Made them stronger...although strength means nothing if you don't have a brain.

Anonymous said...

YT?

YouTube...I posted two links from YT were I made videos based on ur translation...

I pass links from ur,Tzitzernak,Unzipped,Nazarian,Observer, Onnik's and sometimes from eakaisa's blogs...

I have all the reasons to be convinced that these Dashnaks ( 5-7 ppl) work on YT and their main purpose is to recruit young patriotic Armenians into their "party" using "patriotic slogans" and to opress any sign of independent thinking there...Without any doubt they have succeed a lot int it. Most ppl who were posting on my videos stopped and they explain they don't want to be harassed by the group.
The only place they can't post disgusting, dirty, filthy posts to us is A1+ videos. But when they see that someone new posted on A1+ they send him/her abusive PMs and do the same on their channels...Slowly ppl stop getting involved in political discussions...This is disturbing...
After what I have been going at their hands since election I don't see any difference between them and bozkurt Turks...sorry, there is a difference, bozkurt Turks didn't involve my baby into this political fight...
I am not even mentioning what have been said to me,my husband, parents, sister,etc...But what have been repeatedly said towards my baby is beyond any imagination and it was done not only by one person but by the group.
The reason is to make me stop posting extracts from mentioned blogs ( and A1+) and making videos based on your blogs...
and to be completely fair after several months being attacked I did defend myself...lol

BSW

Anonymous said...

My worries is YT is the most viewed website and it is completely dominated by Dashnaks imposing their "ideology" ...I know many young Armenians who changed their opinions under Dashnaks pressure...

BSW

Anonymous said...

"although strength means nothing if you don't have a brain."

If u know Russian u know the proverb "Sila est', uma ne nado"...


BSW

Armen Filadelfiatsi said...

BeautySavesWorld:

Why do you keep bringing your baby into this discussion?

Did you loose a baby? That is a very difficult thing to live through. But I can tell you that it is not usually an Armenian or Turkish thing. It's just pain without a nation.

Anonymous said...

Oh my...Astvats chta!!!

My baby is OK, I keep on talking abt my baby coz that part was/is the most painful and disturbing one among all threats...

Mind u: they were my best friends on YT, I told them many things abt me, my family.
I just can't understand how best friends can do that because of politics...

BSW

P.S.
I am just being emotional when it comes to baby, like all mothers lol

Armen Filadelfiatsi said...

Okay, so who is "them"?

Anonymous said...

"Them"? Dashnaks...YT members

aren't we still talkingn abt them? ;-)

BSW

Armen Filadelfiatsi said...

Well, if I understand you, you are saying that some people who identified themselves as Dashnaks threatened you in the comments section of You Tube.

The internet is the street, like, say, 34th and Broadway in New York City: You'll find all sorts of people there.

As far as Armenians are concerned though, it never got as bad as the weeks following March 1st. You really got the impression that people would actually kill each other if they knew one another's real identity.

Do a search for LTP clips on You Tube and go back in the comments sections: "Bozi Tgha" is standard form of greeting there, like "Hello."

In any case, ranting against people on the 'net is a part of what makes it fun. And the ARF isn't obsolete because its members are vulgar, but because they're corrupt and their ideology is out-dated and they're never going to come up with a new one because their leaders are bureaucrats.

You read the random ARF news story, you can't tell if it was written in 1908 or 2008.